Hello People!
I`m ready to purchase an Audya now BUT, I want to be persuade from any PA2X owner for not doing it. Please, could anybody here show me any youtube video or audio demo that I could hear or see the PA2X? Please, don`t show me far east demos, but some western music, specially if you know about some Jazz, funk, rock or latin ones. I already heard the korgpa demos, that are sequenced. I prefer style based.
I`m aware that Audya doesn`t work properly yet, but I need to change my keyboard.
Thank`s in advance four your help!
Regards
Jose

Jose,

AUDYA is more stable now with OS3.0 which offered rich features such as
* allowing the user to use their AUDIO DRUMS and associate with any style they choose.
* Enhanced Remix feature allowing you to further mix midi and audio while keeping both perfectly synchronized
* Software STYLE EDITOR for creating or editing AUDYA STYLES on a computer
*** A lot more ...

OS 4.0 (soon to be released) will also bring some new features such as ...
* Over 300 NEW voices/sounds and Programs
* Revoiced/Modified current ROM voices/table
* Style Editor for creating styles on AUDYA
* More audio chord recognition parts
* * * Much more ...

Thanks,

AJ

Hi AJ!
That`s great news.
I`m almost convinced that Audya is the keyboard I`m looking for, but, 4000 Euros is a lot of money in case something not work for me. Until now, I didn`t heard anything done on PA2x that I prefer over my Tyros2, but I want to hear anything, if it really exists, only to be shure I do the proper decision.
So, PA2X owner`s: time to talk!!
Jo

WIll there be a computer interface that allows me to program/controll the Audya. And next to that function as a VST host controlled by audya...

I think any next level Arranger/workstation needs such an interface.

And its just a matter of programming... You could even use opensource software to realise most of the VST host part.

Jose,

Even though the Korg is nice keyboard, one of the biggest downfall of the Korg is the latin style section. There latin styles are very poor quality compared to even the older ketrons. If your judging a keyboard for just its sounds and styles, I do not prefer for the latin styles on the korg. I've owned many ketrons and the Korg pa80. I've gone through the pa2x and I found many recycled styles, especially the latin section, which was very poor on the PA80.

Also if your playing for crowd that will dance to latin music but are not hispanic, you may be able to get away with a Korg. If your playing for latin ethnic crowd from various latin countries. The korg is a joke.

If others want to touch on the jazz & funk to compare, it would help, since I don't play that type of styles.

good luck.



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Hi MC
Thanks for the comments.
I`m aware of korg`s weak latin styles, But I would like to hear something from the PA2X that could make me consider it. I don`t know, some good demos in whatever style, but anything else thats not from the far east.
I`m aware that style wise, Audya almost have no competition, but I hope some PA2X owner proves I`m wrong and convince me to not spend so much money in Audya instead of PA2X, that`s all.
For example, my first need is a good piano sound. I heard the original (rom) piano in PA2x. To my ears, as bad as Tyros. Heard the irishact ones and they are better but means you have to purchase a memory card and pay for this sound. Ok, isn`t a large amount of money but means more expense to the PA2X. And once again, I`m not shure if this sound is good enough for my needs.
Do you know if the piano from Audya is better than pa2x?
Thanks
JO

Jose,

Probably the best place to find users demos for PA800/PA2x is korgforums.com.

PIANOS: If you don't like the stock pianos in the PA2x or the ones from Irish Acts, then in the forum, if you do a search you will find out that many users have publish a variety of piano samples FREE. If you still can't find one that you like it, then you better look for another arranger brand.

STYLES: The PA800/PA2x have very good styles. I am from Latin America and I think that ALL the arrangers have incomplete offerings for Latin music, but take in account that is no easy task. The cuban Salsa is no the same that the one from Puerto Rico, The same can be said about merengues, cumbia, bachata, etc.
The best solution for me is to take the styles for the gen that I am interested from different arrangers, convert it to the one that I own and then modify it at you taste.

The site createsongsstyles.com have a lot of offerings on styles and sounds too.

I think that some times we make to much emphasis in the keyboard. My experience is that the key is the player. Many players in this forum have been able to demo nice sons with no top of the line or the latest arrangers.

I like Korg PA800/PA2x for the sounds, of course, but for other features too:

- Songbook (best of any arranger)
- Interface
- Easy to mute style parts
- Import of samples (sounds) from third parties

This site have very good PA800/PA2x demos.
http://www.tbleck.de/h2-keyboard.htm

Hi Machetero!

I was born in Venezuela, so latin music is my thing!!
I`m aware of the diferent latin styles: In this regard I think Audya have the very best and must accurate
The thing is that the percussion samples sound weak to me in PA2x. And a lot of the internal syles. I don`t know how to describe it but "plastic" is the best word I can find. The tyros2 are even more plastic...
I do my own rhythms.
Now my concern are the internal sounds of PA2X. I don`t have any near me and don`t remember very well, that`s why I`m asking
Machetero, I`ll check in the places you mentioned and thank`s for that!
Un Saludo y un Abrazo!!
Jose

Jose,


Saludos !!
I am from Dominican Republic, land of El Merengue y la Bachata.
No question that the Audya have very nice styles and the drums are best of any arrenger. Too many pesos man !!!
Maybe I will purchase one when they release version 5 of the OS.
Question is:
How easy is to import samples (sounds)
How easy and bug free is to modify the styles?
Are you able to save you settings for songs ( like in the Songbook from korg)?

I don't Gig, but I think that things like this will be vey important for people that make their living playing music in public places.

Buena suerte en tu busqueda. Dejame saber en que puedo ayudarte.

Hi Jose,
sorry, can't help with demo's.

You can load samples into the korg, & you also have the option of creating drum grooves from audio drum loops.

IF you do create a lot of your own styles, main thing I'd be doing is THOROUGHLY checking out the style creation/editing options for the Audya. Not much point in having great sounds & drums, if you can't create the styles you require.

Learnt the hard way with my SD1+,style editing functions on it were a bit of a joke. Fortunately with the Audya they appear to be taking style editing a bit more seriously according to the few snippets I've read. Still, it's an expensive machine & you'd want to make sure it suits.

best wishes
Rikki

[B]Hi Machetero!

The thing is that the percussion samples sound weak to me in PA2x. And a lot of the internal syles.

I do my own rhythms.

Hi Machetero

I heard a lot of styles from the link you mentioned. There´s several funk and jazz styles that I liked, but as always, al the juice came at the intros, during the styles they become so boring static... and I still heard very weak sounds... Definitely I don`t like the korgs, sorry.
Machetero, dominicano? la gente del melao!!
A mi me llamaban "El portu merenguero" porque mi fuerte es el ritmo de merengue. Hice muchas grabaciones y arreglos en ese estilo. Tengo algunas muestras aqui si quieres escuchar www.jomartinspiano.blogspot.com

Y Gracias de nuevo
Jo

Jose,
I love the PA2XPRO...If I were you...I would NOT judge the PA2 by what you have heard on the demos. You should go somewhere to play one yourself and spend at least 1/2 day. It would be best to go where they have a person that knows the keyboard well.

This thing sounds awesome!
And the user interface/programming/MIDI implementation is superb.

In the end it is up to you to determinw if you like the PA sounds styles functions etc.

Have you been to the Korg PA forum site? http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=50

Lee S.

Jose, How long have you been considering buying and Audya, I have gone through two already, buy yourself one from Christmas and stop talking about it. If you carry on like this we will have OS10 out.

Tony...What does 'I have gone through 2 already mean' ?

Bad keyboards or OS updates?

Lee S.

Leeboy the dealer thought my 1st Audya had hardware faults I told him not it's all down to software so he swapped it. All Auyda problems are software.

Jose,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjcdWYnPkhs&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKqni_QTimQ&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2R_3HAoepY&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA5uRD31oX4&feature=related

Hi Tony!
Thanks a lot for those youtube links.
Interesting, the person that plays several PA2X videos also have or had a Tyros2 and I can compare both. Between both keyboards and for this person recordings I prefer the Tyros2... The PA2X styles even sound more repetitive and boring and the right hand sounds aren`t bad, but far from stellar. But this is to me.
Also, As somebody said here, the player makes the difference. Any professional that made Tyros2, Tyros3 and Audya videos made the machines sound amazing. I didn`t see any professional level video made on PA2X. Something that I observe in the Audya videos made in FCMusica, Portugal, were made by people with no so much technical skills (perhaps singers that learn keyboard for acompany themselves) but they sounded incredible good.
I`ll buy an Audya very soon, but don`t sell my Tyros2, just in case! But PA2X, umh, not for me...
Thanks people!
Jo

Alex live démo with Pa2X.
An amazing user ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdJMAl6NvkI&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwgzHTuAnJQ&feature=player_embedded

Honestly...This gave me a double headache........the music & the spinning!...

I rather enjoyed the second one...but not the first.

Jose, If I were you I would download the PA2XPRO manual and read it cover to cover...thee is a lot of function/programmability/features there that no other aranger has today. Many things to condsider. If all that flexability doesn't matter...cool...but it did to me.

Ther is a lot of superb sounds in the PA2, don't jdge the sounds only on the demo's you have heard.

Were talking about a lot of money here...why not actually go and audition both to see which one suits you? AND read both user manuals cover to cover...then...no surprises should happen.

Lee S.

Hi leeboy
I already downloaded the PA2x manual and played it in a music store (for 2 hours, using headphones and store studio monitors)
Simple put, an instrument is good if their sounds are good. To me, korg drums and percussions, piano, bass and brass are weak. And styles too repetitive (as yamaha).
All programability is excellent for somebody that does at lot of contemporary or synthy music. Not my thing... This kind of music I prefer using loops and Vst instruments that I already have plenty. And I don`t do anything so synthy in real life, live.
I liked some pop, jazz and funk styles in PA2X, but that`s it. Who knows, probably in a few months I can translate some korg styles in Audya, but I don`t need them right now.
Regards
Jo

Did you go into global and turn ON the master EQ?? If not you did not get the true punch in the sounds...it is off by default.

Makes a huge difference. It is a PRO arranger so you do have to spend some time understanding all the stuff in there...

If you want to control/play external synthes/VSTi's etc look at the PA2 maunal in the midi section and in the way it ca be setup to send MIDI bank/program changes to external instruments...No other (that I am aware of) can do that...and that is big for me.

By the way I play more intrumental/standards/musical theatre/pop/jazz/oldies and I use the programming a lot. I don't use synthy stuff much.

If you have done your homework and like the Ketron better..great...it is a fine instrument and I have played it as well.

Too much $$ for what you get IMHO. $1300 more than PA2...no way.

Lee S.

I think something is wrong with your ears. I have played several years yamaha and now Korg and the styles of Korg are much better. Also the sounds in the Korgs are much more powerful and sound like a real synth not keyboardisch and dull like the Yamaha's and Audya. Korg is just the best keyboard out there.

Sorry double post

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1,2, Cha, Cha, Cha

and I just your the arranger god and no one else can have an opinion. What ever you say goes right and all of our ears must be full of cotton. Pretty lame!

I agree.....instead of talking, why not post some sound & style demos of your own to back up your broad statements FranN thats would solve it all eh? The proof is in the pudding, talk is cheap.



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FransM ,

I have got to agree with you I still think PA2x sounds far better than Audya and I have got both at home, anyone else who wants a dig who has both lets go for it, but you need both side by side not a stroll down to the music shack have a play and then go back home and think how good it sounded, how good his you abilty to remember sound quality, perhaps we are all crap at that, I can't even remember what I did yesterday can you Don, Diki. Frank has heard both on the same day, in his shop, what does Frank say, perhaps it's not a good thing he needs to sell both and I shouldn't ask. Anyone who as both KB at home come forward and be counted and tell us all which you think is best. (deadly silence) I still go for PA2x anytime.

PS Jose, you are going to have to make your mind up what you are doing, this is getting silly, get down the bank and buy the bloddy Audya, but when you get it home don't start saying it doesn't sound as good as the PA2x or T3. Read what Leeboy wrote above he talks sense, go and blow the tiles off the music shack roof for a day with a PA2x.

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Jose,

Did you only play the PA2x with the headphones, tell me you didn't, try eating sweets with the wraper on.

I don't have to prove it. Just go to music store with your best headphone clear your mind from all the Yamaha and Audya hype and listen to the PA2x or PA800 or PA500, Audya and Tyros 3 and you will notice that the Korgs sound the best, have the best options and cost less then the 2 others.


[This message has been edited by FransN (edited 11-01-2009).]

Yes and don't you forget that.

Forget what?

That I am a arranger god

Dnj use to own a PA800 already, he dumped it like a bad habit.

Instead of worring about our ears, you should worry more about getting some oxygen, the air is pretty thin up there.

Yes but that is because he is brainwashed by Yamahahahaa

I don't need oxygen I am not that old and my ears are OK just have had a ear test.

Of course you are, dear, now, do the nurses know you're using the computer?

Probably not, but if I were you, I'd lay off the helium for a day or two...at least till the swelling goes down.

All things aside...It is up to Jose to choose what he likes...my suggestion is to go play 'both' extensively. And not with headphnes...with high quality studio monitors (that's why they use them for mixing dowm to CD)

Just be sure to turn master EQ ON on the PA2...don't know about Audya, but maybe there is someting there to do as well? If your going back to the store...and need step by step on how to turn on master EQ, let me know and I'll get you directions.

Quite honesty when I went to audition the PA2 at Sweetwater (1 full day) I used headphones and was a little concerned about the sound quality of the voices...BUT when I got that baby home and plugged it to my Mackie HR824's and turned master EQ on and tweeked it a little WOW...what a sound.

The PA2 is not perfect, but I really enjoy mine.

Lee S.

Just buy what sounds best to YOU. No one on this forum will ever universally agree on what board is the best, so you might as well use your fingers to practice, rather than to type.

If a pair of Mackie HR824's make your arranger sound MUCH better than your headphones, I'd go and spend some decent money on some GOOD headphones!

Yes, it ought to sound a BIT better in a room, but if the sound balance changes drastically, it means your headphones suck!

I'm kind of enjoying all this banter, but, I'm afraid to say, on the whole, I don't think I have EVER heard a user demo on this forum that couldn't fairly easily be duplicated by ANY of the TOTL arrangers, with the possible exception of the audio styles from Ketron. They are all powerful enough that, if you had the talent and the time, whatever you DO have ought to be able to sound virtually as good. Korg have some great pads. So does Roland, so does Yamaha. Roland have some great pianos. So does Ketron, so does Korg, so does Yamaha. There are certainly DEGREES of 'best' in each sound category, but nothing, AFAIK, dominates across the board.

Put me on a desert island with any TOTL arranger you choose, I guarantee I'll be happy enough to use it indefinitely (Does that make ME an arranger 'god'? )

There is such a small difference between them all, we end up basically arguing about angels dancing on the head of a pin. We each have our own preferences, and LOVE to talk about them, but honestly, if there's anyone here that can't get a good sound out of anything he sits down at, it's time to look more at yourself than the arranger...

Never heard a pair of headphones that sound as good as geat sound system with great amp/speakers, especially on the low end.

I have both Sony 7506 and Beyerdynamics DT770's. there OK, but no comparision to the Mackies in a room with good acoustics and the EQ set to match.

Lee S.

Well if someone like Jose Pereira or whoever say that Korg sound weak then yes there is something wrong with his ears or headphones or speakers. I quess all the professionals in the world use korg synthesizers because they sound so weak.